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Dec 28 2010 4:36PMby PiratesReport
jamminjoe66
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Free Agents
It's realistic that the Pirates could go out & spend $20M on FA's this year {They won't do it} but, It could get 3 top line players. Let's have a vote what 3 legit FA's would you want to see signed & for how much each? Remember $20M.
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12-28-10 4:36 PM
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arizona: The Angels pulled their offer for Beltre off the table, but I won't be surprised if he lands there, anyway. PL
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FatsRotto
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12-25-10 10:15 PM
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big valley, If Neal reels in Francis, I'll give him a B+ grade. Would have rather had Greinke, of course.
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arizonabruce
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12-25-10 6:25 PM
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PR: Does Beltre still go to the Angels? Who else is he considering? PR: I agree with you that the system that has been established works against small market teams.
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bigvalley
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12-25-10 6:10 PM
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Like your grading curve. Wish I had that kind of grading in school.
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FatsRotto
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12-25-10 5:58 PM
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Glad we got Overbay. He has a chance to do something in our ballpark. Lee would be a high-priced singles and doubles hitter there. I'd give Neal the Deal a solid B right now. Just hope there's more to come.
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lancem
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12-25-10 2:31 PM
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losing teams trade to winning teams.
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PiratesReport
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12-25-10 1:13 PM
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lancem: Don't blame the Pirates. Blame the system. With few exceptions, the mid-market teams sell player before the deadline, the big markets buy them. It has been that way for years. PL
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lancem
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12-25-10 10:52 AM
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bigvalley,you are 100% right.ownership has to start showing leadership.like last year, the vets that were signed knows if the pirates are 18 to 20 games under 500 at the start of july, they will be traded.
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bigvalley
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12-25-10 7:10 AM
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I continue to see Milwaukee players expressing their excitement about the Greinke signing. Since leadership comes from the top this ownership team needs to start this leadership movement by focusing on better players. Lee for $8MM vs Overbay for $5MM, which would have been the better signal to the players? Success is what young playera will emulate.
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arizonabruce
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12-24-10 9:54 PM
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FatsRotto: Considering Rose was the last player/manager and it did not really work, I do not see that happening. However, if Fat Albert was willing to assume that role after his contract expires for $1, I am sure management would allow him to do so.
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FatsRotto
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12-24-10 9:14 PM
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arizona, I like the concept. No manager, no coaches, less payroll. Just provide bats, gloves and balls and say, "Go get 'em, kids!"
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arizonabruce
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12-24-10 5:41 PM
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PR: Considering the team lost 100 games I am going to strongly disagree with your prior statement concerning last season free agent pickups.
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lancem
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12-24-10 5:41 PM
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under the leadership of mientkiewicz in 2008 what was their record again,oh 67-95. but we all know what happened to doumit,the laroches,cruz, pearce, bixler, moss, sanchez and wilson under a year of leadership from mientkiewicz.there had to be major improvemenet in 2009 right,wrong 62-99.as for last year we all know what happened. just a reminder 57-105,the worst record in baseball.
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DoumitDinger
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12-24-10 5:05 PM
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Doug Mientkiewicz was a great leader too.
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PiratesReport
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12-24-10 5:00 PM
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lancem: It worked out a lot better than it would have without them in many cases. In particular, Church, Crosby, Dotel and Donnelly had positive effects in this area last season. PL
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lancem
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12-24-10 4:55 PM
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DOUG MIENTKIEWICZ, JASON MICHAELS, RAMON VAZQUES, ERIC HINSKE, RYAN CHURCH, BOBBY CROSBY, MATT MORRIS, JOSE MESA, MARK REDMAN, RICK WHITE, ROBERTO HERNANDEZ, JUST SOME VETS BROUGHT IN FOR LEADERSHIP. HOW THAT WORK OUT.
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arizonabruce
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12-24-10 4:51 PM
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PR: You make a good point about having veterans for the extended 162 game schedule. However, the Pirate organization fading at the MLB level at the end of the season has more to do with the trading away current veterans. This leads to additional short term losing. However, losing in this short term leads to future winning. The summer of 2010 is a specific example of this activity. In the big picture does it really matter if the Pirates lose 102 or 90 games? In the big picture it does matter if the Pirates secure the rights to Rendon! GO BUCS!
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lancem
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12-24-10 4:34 PM
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no there isn't leadership by example. because what works for one player doesn't mean its going to work for another player.every player is different.
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seriesin09
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12-24-10 4:22 PM
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So... according to Lancem, leadership by example isn't really leadership and Arizonabruce sees no needs for veterans or improving the lineup in the field. And I thought fantasy baseball was a summer activity!
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lancem
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12-24-10 4:05 PM
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its how the vet gets ready and paces himself for a season.its up to the younger players to watch how its done.the vets don't lead they just do what they have done to have good years.
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